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An Evening With Two Of The Fender Custom Shops David Gilmour Signature Series Strat's
Relic and the NOS

Technical information & specifications of both the Fender Custom Shop Gilmour Relic & NOS pickguard assembly electronics in comparison with our complete Black Strat pickguard assembly electronics.

Last Update: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 18:28

The Two Reference Guitars Used For All Testing & Comparisons.

Fender Custom Shop
David Gilmour Signature Series Black Strat's
Guitar #1    
Version / Style: Relic  
Production Date: October 1, 2008  
Serial Number: R43867  
     
Guitar #2    
Version / Style: NOS  
Production Date: September 30, 2008  
Serial Number: R43281  

Most of you are here because of your interest in the Gilmour Black Strat and our version of the fully loaded Black Strat pickguard assembly.  I'm sure many of you wonder as to the authenticity or similarity of our pickguard assembly in comparison to the Fender Custom Shop versions.  In other words, will our complete pickguard assembly produce the same tones as a Fender Custom Shop version of the Gilmour Black Strat?  Below you will find individual pickup resistance value readings taken from two of the Fender Custom Shop Gilmour Signature Series Black Strat's, the Relic and the NOS version. Pickup DC resistance values were taken from both of these guitar pickguard assemblies at each of the 7 unique pickup selections. Physical characteristics of each pickup were noted as well for comparison.

There is a some speculation as to exactly which pickups are installed in the Fender Custom Shop Gilmour Strat, but now, based on our investigative work along with all published data it is now quite conclusive as we have shown below that the pickups installed in the Fender Custom Shop Gilmour Strat are in fact the same pickups or have the same characteristics or tonal character as those we use in our complete pickguard assemblies. 

As the specifications were published at the introduction of the Gilmour Strat it was stated that a custom hand-wound Fat '50s neck pickup was installed in the neck position and a Custom Shop '69 pickup was installed in the middle position, but later on it was noticed that specifications became a little more vague and were updated in most advertisements as to the exactness of which pickups were installed. It is now stated that the pickup installed in the neck position is a "Custom Hand-Wound Fat '50s" pickup and the middle pickup is simply stated as "Custom Wound". The bridge pickup is no mystery, it is published as a Seymour Duncan SSL-5. However, this particular SSL-5 pickup in the Fender Custom Shop Gilmour Strat is built around the architecture of the SSL-1C with it being constructed using a keyed black bottom flatwork as opposed to the modern rectangular and rounded end bottom flatwork that you will find in all retail SSL-5's. One of the reasons Seymour Duncan manufactures the current retail version of the SSL-5 with rectangular and rounded end bottom flatwork is that it allows the pickup to mounted in either direction for appropriate pole piece stagger positioning for left or right handed players. The SSL-1C is what is installed in Gilmour's Strat and Fender wanted the visual effect to be correct and is strictly a right handed pickup with the keyed bottom flatwork. The SSL-1C is a custom wound version of the SSL-1 ("C" means custom) which has increased output and is the predecessor to the SSL-5. Identification markings on the Fender Custom Shop Gilmour Strat SSL-5 bridge pickup has both identifiers where it says "SSL-1C DG" pressed into the pickups bottom flatwork along with a sticker tag that reads "SSL-5". All resistance readings we've performed confirm it is a SSL-5 at heart with the typical beveled and staggered Alnico V pole pieces. UPDATE January 17, 2012.  We now have a limited supply of these SSL-1C DG pickups available for installation in our complete pickguard assemblies.

The middle pickup in the Fender Custom Shop Gilmour Strat has non-beveled, staggered Alnico V pole pieces and the typical dark wire windings indicative of a Custom Shop '69 pickup and all resistance and tone comparisons indicate the same as well.  It is built using a black bottom flatwork piece instead of the typical grey flatwork you will find in a retail package of the Custom Shop '69 pickup set. You won't find a black bottom flatwork Custom Shop '69 in any retail packaging, it only comes with Custom Shop guitars. The differences are that the Custom Shop version is said to be hand wound as opposed to the production Custom '69s that are machine wound. However they are wound to the same target DC resistance value.

The neck pickup in the Fender Custom Shop Gilmour Strat has hand beveled, staggered Alnico V pole pieces and the typical bright Formvar wire windings indicative of a Custom Shop Fat '50s pickup and all resistance and tone comparisons indicate the same as well. The differences are that the Custom Shop version is said to be hand wound as opposed to the production Fat '50s that are machine wound. However they are wound to the same target DC resistance value.

Below are pickup resistance value comparison between the two Fender Custom Shop Gilmour Strat's and our custom Black Strat pickguard assembly.  Based on all test results and audio comparison the pickups are essentially the same.  We averaged 25 of our Black Strat complete pickguard assemblies to arrive at the figures in the "Our Black Strat Pickguard Assembly" column below. The resistance readings for Fender's was taken from a Relic version and NOS version of the Custom Shop Gilmour Black Strat.  By looking at the table towards the very bottom of this page you can get an idea of how much variance you will find in a given pickup type. Example: You can see that a given Seymour Duncan SSL-5 can reveal a resistance reading of up to 13.65k and as low as 12.61k which gives a variance as much as 1040 ohms (1.04k) between different samples of the same pickup. Seymour Duncan advertises the SSL-5 to have resistance value of 12.9k. So just because our resistance readings may not compare exactly the same as Fender's, which would be virtually impossible, you can see how they are extremely close with the averages are that we have compiled.  If we were able to average 25 of the Fender Custom Shop Gilmour Strat's pickup readings we might find those averages become even closer to our averages, but since we only have two of the Fender Custom Shop Gilmour Strat's to perform our comparisons we cannot compile averages and have to rely on direct readings, so we have to make due with a single reference point of the data presented with the two guitars and use those for our base points of reference.

With the NOS Strat all of the accessories, pickup covers, knobs, switch tip, tremolo arm tip and tremolo cover plate are a custom aged parchment.  The tint color is an ever so slightly tinted from the base color of parchment, almost like a very slight smoky color added to the base color. It is very subtle but noticeable when you compare a stock parchment pickup cover along side one of the custom aged ones.

With the RELIC Strat the pickup covers are relic'd and aged parchment. Where the knobs are relic'd aged white with the green letters and numbers.  The tremolo arm tip and switch tip are both aged white.

One difference we found between the Relic and NOS was in the wiring where the NOS did not have the ground wire joining each of the three potentiometers.  I think the guy doing the wiring simply forgot, since this is a characteristic ground of all Strat wiring.

We hope with all this information it will help you make an informed decision and understand the detail we put forth to make sure you receive a complete Gilmour style Black Strat pickguard assembly that will undoubtedly reproduce the Gilmour tone you are in search of...

 

Pickup Comparison Chart
Resistance Readings Taken Directly From The Output Jack Connections
Pickup Selection(s) Fender's
Gilmour
Relic
Strat
Fender's
Gilmour
NOS
Strat
Our Black Strat Pickguard Assembly
Avg. of 25 Assemblies
SSL-5 (Bridge) 12.57k 13.28k 12.89k
Custom Shop '69 (Middle) 5.24k 5.32k 5.44k
Custom Shop Fat '50s (Neck) 6.14k 6.12k 6.15k
Combination Pickup Selections
Bridge + Middle 3.77k 3.85k 3.89k
Neck + Middle 2.87k 2.88k 2.92k
Bridge + Neck 4.21k 4.25k 4.24k
Bridge + Middle + Neck 2.36k 2.39k 2.41k

Above: Close-up photograph of the Fender Custom Shop David Gilmour Relic Black Strat pickguard assembly electronics wiring.

Above: Close-up photograph of OverDrive Custom Guitar Works Black Strat pickguard assembly electronics wiring.  

Above: Photograph of the Fender Custom Shop David Gilmour Relic Black Strat pickguard assembly back side.

Notice the copper foil shielding on the pickguard in the control region only.  All future production of our Acrylic pickguards once we deplete our current stock will have the exact same copper foil shielding in the control region only.  This will be noted on the complete pickguard assembly page (#4035) once we transition to our new pickguard stock. It will be a while for the 11 hole pickguards since we still have a lot of them in stock with the full coverage aluminum foil shielding, but now that the vintage 8 hole pickguards are available once again they are shielded as illustrated above.  A lot of customer feedback has told us that they want their pickguards shielded in the same manor as Gilmour's as well as how Fender is shielding their Gilmour Signature series Black Strat's pickguards.  We listened to our customers feedback and have adjusted our manufacturing of these pickguards to represent them authentically to the originals.

Above: Close-up photograph of the Fender Custom Shop bridge pickup. Notice the "SSL-1C DG" as pressed into the bottom flatwork and the sticker that indicates an SSL-5 with a production date of August 22, 2008 ( "20080822" ).

The Fender Custom Shop David Gilmour Relic Black Strat's Green Lettered / Numbered control knobs in comparison with our customized knobs. Our knobs are in the upper portion where they are simply resting on the pickguard for comparison with Fender's knobs.  We've identified the green lettering color and have been able to reproduce it exactly as you would find them on a Fender Custom Shop Gilmour Black Strat.

All Information Below Was Obtained From Our Complete Black Strat Pickguard Assemblies

The testing results in the table below were obtained from February through May of 2010.

Below are resistance readings taken from each of the 7 unique pickup selection options from the documented testing results of 25 of our Black Strat fully loaded pickguard assemblies.  Averages for each pickup selection is listed in Blue at the bottom. We also have listed the highest resistance reading we encountered in Red, the lowest resistance reading in Green and the amount of variance of resistance between the highest and lowest readings in White.  We also list the manufacturer's resistance rating for each of the three different pickups.

The resistance values in the table below were obtained at the output jack connections with the volume and tone control settings at 10, so these values will be slightly lower than resistance values taken from an individual uninstalled pickup.  I did not want to disassemble the original Custom Shop Gilmour Strat electronics to obtain direct resistance readings from each individual pickup, so I figured it was most appropriate to compare our complete pickguard assemblies with the Custom Shop Gilmour Strat by the same method at the output jack connections.  This would give you comparatively similar results.  Also, keep in mind that you could take a box of 250k Ohm potentiometers and check each of their resistance characteristics and find that they may vary as much as 100k from one another since most potentiometers have a tolerance of 20% and this variance will alter the resistance readings obtained from the output jack connections for the pickups.  I've seen a lot of the Fender branded CTS potentiometers vary as much 30% where as the CTS potentiometers I use in my assemblies average about 10% variance from specification. I find the average resistance readings of the CTS potentiometers I use to be in the range of 225k to 265k Ohms which is much better than a large number of the Fender branded CTS potentiometers where I've seen some samples as low as 180k and as high as 290k Ohms.  But for the most part when it comes to deviation from the specified rating (tolerance) I usually find the actual resistance value is lower than the specification rating rather than being higher...

Another factor that contributes to variations in a pickups DC resistance reading is temperature.  This is probably something that is most often overlooked, and most would not even consider. We can pull a pickup off the shelf in the winter where the warehouse might be as cold as 30-40 degrees F. and that pickup could present us with a DC resistance that may be as much as 400-500 ohms lower than the same pickup that has thoroughly warmed up and once again tested at room temperature.  You can actually watch the ohm meters digital display that is connected to a pickup that is cold and as it slowly warms up its DC resistance climbs higher and higher.  So with temperature differences factoring in, there really isn't a true DC resistance, only close approximations to the manufacturers specified rating. It's all relative to the testing environment/pickup temperature.  And of course for obvious reasons they will also vary simply because any given sample of pickup may be wound slightly more or less than the next sample...

Update January 5, 2012: With Fender introducing individual pickups from all of their complete pickup sets in late 2011 we have found that the individually packaged Fat 50 neck pickups are presenting us with higher than normal DC resistances than what we usually see.  Fender advertises the Fat 50 neck pickup to have a DC resistance of 6.0k. Testing every single pickup for the last few years we found the Fat 50 neck pickup from the typical set of 3 would range from 6.0k to 6.45k, but now the newly introduced individually boxed Fat 50 neck pickups have presented us with DC resistances as high as 7.0k. We've just started using our stock of these newly introduced individual Fat 50 neck pickups so we have yet to see how they will average in DC resistance as we progress through this new stock.  Another characteristic we found with "some" of these individual Fat 50 neck pickups is that they do not have the blue indicator on the pole piece on the underside of the pickup, we figure it must be because since they are being sold individually there is no need to identify which pickup is bridge middle or neck since the pickup is packaged as the neck position and only when you purchase the entire set of 3 is it important to keep them separated from one another so then they would use the red and blue coloring to identify the positions. We'll keep you posted with any new findings on color coding and DC resistances we encounter as we install and test more of these.

Update January 11, 2012: We've begun to notice a new trend with the Custom Shop Custom '69 pickups now that Abigail Ybarra is no longer inspecting or supervising the production of these pickups. First thing is that since she is no longer inspecting or supervising the production of these pickups they are no longer  dated and initialed by her, but the more important change we've seen is that the average DC resistance is higher than any we've ever encountered in the last 3 years. Fender rates this pickup to have DC resistance of 5.8k. If you look at the testing results below the highest DC resistance from the time period we compiled the data was 5.645k and the average was 5.44k, and for the most part we usually never encountered any that had a DC resistance very close to the rated value of 5.8k, they were usually lower. But now with the current production Custom Shop Custom '69 pickups we've begun encountering DC resistances as high as 6.42k and this is at room temperature of 70 degrees with measurements taken with a calibrated Fluke 77IV meter.  So on average that relates to approximately 1k (1000 ohms) difference, that's quite a bit and I'm sure it will influence the character of this pickup.

All resistance values below are in Kilo-Ohms (x 1000) unless otherwise noted.

Test # Seymour Duncan
SSL-5
Bridge
Fender
Custom Shop '69
Middle
Fender
Custom Shop Fat '50s
Neck
Bridge+Middle Neck+Middle Bridge+Neck Bridge+Middle+Neck
1 12.88 5.270 6.220 3.797 2.885 4.266 2.380
2 12.97 5.434 6.090 3.889 2.922 4.252 2.408
3 12.70 5.224 6.213 3.756 2.870 4.242 2.363
4 12.88 5.476 6.059 3.904 2.913 4.196 2.399
5 12.78 5.435 6.224 3.880 2.939 4.266 2.416
6 12.82 5.477 6.167 3.899 2.935 4.236 2.412
7 12.65 5.550 6.110 3.900 2.930 4.200 2.408
8 12.92 5.555 6.283 3.941 2.981 4.295 2.444
9 12.88 5.607 6.173 3.969 2.973 4.245 2.440
10 12.78 5.579 6.298 3.950 2.997 4.298 2.454
11 12.91 5.278 6.168 3.805 2.877 4.246 2.376
12 12.80 5.248 6.073 3.784 2.850 4.195 2.355
13 12.69 5.415 6.108 3.855 2.904 4.194 2.386
14 12.92 5.176 6.328 3.750 2.879 4.320 2.376
15 12.73 5.508 6.092 3.907 2.928 4.193 2.404
16 12.82 5.400 6.075 3.871 2.899 4.202 2.390
17 12.94 5.436 6.186 3.884 2.925 4.253 2.407
18 12.61 5.307 6.066 3.797 2.866 4.171 2.360
19 13.14 5.408 6.259 3.887 2.933 4.309 2.420
20 12.65 5.339 6.059 3.809 2.869 4.162 2.360
21 13.18 5.601 6.127 3.994 2.960 4.254 2.441
22 12.87 5.584 6.085 3.965 2.951 4.211 2.427
23 13.65 5.645 6.136 4.058 2.974 4.305 2.466
24 13.05 5.627 6.103 3.999 2.964 4.234 2.441
25 13.01 5.542 6.158 3.949 2.951 4.252 2.430

  12.89k Avg. 5.44k Avg. 6.15k Avg. 3.89k Avg. 2.92k Avg. 4.24k Avg. 2.41k Avg.
  12.61k Low 5.224k Low 6.059k Low 3.75k Low 2.85k Low 4.162k Low 2.36k Low
  13.65k High 5.645k High 6.328k High 4.058k High 2.981k High 4.32k High 2.466k High
  1040 Ohm Variance 421 Ohm Variance 269 Ohm Variance        
  322.23 Tot. 136.121 Tot. 153.86 Tot. 97.199 Tot. 73.075 Tot. 105.997 Tot. 60.163 Tot.
  Manufacturer Rating
12.9k
Manufacturer Rating
5.8k
Manufacturer Rating
6.0k
       
1466

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